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Explorer
Posts: 11,720

Re: This thing sucks

Cineform is owned by GoPro, isn't it?
I'm pretty sure they just released the codec to public domain.

So, from the list above, it sounds like only GoPro and Garmin produce and offer their own software.

Instead of the list of camera companies using 3rd party software, this sounds more like the answer to the question.
Adventurer
Posts: 9,304

Re: This thing sucks

   3rd party is what you make of it

 

 

Sorry if gopro is a failure in the OP eyes As noted many  here are with issues along with some....

 

 

Explorer
Posts: 11,720

Re: This thing sucks

Here is my experience with Gopro.

Original Hero HD: Amazing camera for it's day. Longest battery life of all my GoPro cameras. Confusing menu, low resolution/fps, and restricted to using 32GB or less memory card. Video is good but dynamic range poor. Forget about using it in low light. Mostly used it for surfing. Still going strong today. Used Windows Movie Maker to create videos.

Hero2: My favorite GoPro until Hero3+ Black. Had issues with it freezing up and battery dying quickly. Bought a new battery and it worked great. Better resolution and frame rates than Hero HD. I believe it was this camera I started using GoPro Studio. Mostly I just used Studio to apply Protune color profile and edited in WMV due to Studio freezing and crashing. Mostly used for Surfing, Mountain biking, and rock climbing but also for family outings. Filmed the birth of my second child with this camera. Sadly, lost the camera to the ocean.

Hero3 Silver: Started learning how to color grade Protune video with this camera (Protune gave flat unprocessed look in this camera). First learned how crappy SanDisk Ultra cards are as they constantly froze/SD Err. Got two Lexar 633x micro SD cards. For about a year both worked great until one card stopped working consistently. Poor battery life but awesome new design and better dynamic range. Started using Studio more but still fighting to keep it from crashing. Camera gifted to my eldest.

Hero3 Black: Great camera and caught many wonderful family memories. Same issues as Hero3 Silver but more resolution/frame rate options. Still going strong today.

Hero 3+ Black: This camera has captured thousands of videos and pictures. Captured birth of youngest child and many family moments. Editing almost exclusively with Studio and figuring out ways to prevent crashes. Love for GoPro camera increasing as I find it motivates me to go out to capture epic big waves surfing and adventures with kids. Still keep this camera in my go bag for B-roll and added angles.

Hero4 Session: Discrete, small, and tough as nails. Start carrying this camera with me always. Filming more and start getting some gigs filming parties, real estate, and weddings. Great camera for surfing and allowing my kids to use it when they play. Hundreds amazed at a judo tournament as camera continues to work fine after being thrown across venue by a kid. Camera even survived falling off a cliff. Had to replace the front lens, but otherwise fine. Still works great today.

Hero4 Silver: Start using GoPro for more than video. Learning more about camera settings and Protune and how to get the best shot. Start doing time laps and night shots. Meet some great people on the Support site and expand my capturing ability. Learn how to do star trails. Still using Studio but trying other software editors like Corel. Only issue noticed with camera is "helicopter" noise when using Wi-Fi. Since I don't film with Wi-Fi on, not a big deal to me. Still use this camera often, but mostly in 3DR Solo drone.

Hero5 Session: A few issues with freezing when I first got it. Changed card to Samsung Pro and issues went away. Favorite form factor, awesome 4K resolution and my current #2 favorite camera. Start using DaVinci Resolve to edit.

Hero5 Black and GoPro Karma: Sweetness. Amazing system. Perfect for real estate gigs and more motivation to go out and explore. Countless memories caught with this set up. Surfing, hiking, mountain biking, kid's first steps, riding a bike, skateboarding, surfing (I've got three boys) Hero5 Black caught it all. Karma drone and Grip providing amazing footage. Figured I wouldn't need another camera for a long time. Start making a few edits with Quik and Splice on my phone and iPad but mostly using Adobe Premiere Pro.

Hero6 Black: I didn't want this camera. I figured if I was going to get another GoPro it would be the Fusion. Went to Best On my lunch break the day after the release and bought it to test out so I could have some first hand experience when helping people on the Support site. This camera blew me away. Best GoPro by far. After using it for an hour I knew it wasn't going back. Amazing EIS and dynamic range. Each frame crystal clear. Did some side by side comparing it to my other GoPro cameras. The Hero6 blew them all away. Played with the settings and figured out how to get good low light video. Had one day where it froze once, did a split screen and didn't record audio. Even with this I never thought about returning the camera. Changed SD card from Samsung Pro Select to Samsung Pro+ and Lexar 1000x and issues didn't come back. After the latest update, the camera is just about perfect. Desktop editing I'm doing with Adobe Premiere Pro and After Effects. The video looks so good straight from the camera and the transfer speeds so much faster, I'm using the mobile apps more and more. Not so much for when I'm filling for other people but almost exclusively when capturing my own adventures or family moments.

All in all, my experience with GoPro has been great. I have other video cameras (Sony) and still take snap shot photos with my phone (Samsung Galaxy S7, iPhone 7, LG v10) but none of them have given me the durability, flexibility, reliability and unique perspectives as my GoPro cameras. Not only that, GoPro had helped to motivate me to go out and capture moments I might not have ventured out to get otherwise.

Am I a GoPro "fanboy"? You bet! For the reasons I listed above and many more.
Adventurer
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 more to life then a camera.     gopro kept one thing working for them the trade mark of fisheye, and why people love their products small compact and fisheye. what  gopro is all about   

Explorer
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Definitely agree there is more to life than a camera. For me, the camera is about capturing that life; whether it be a previous memory or to relive an activity through the lens when my body is unable to do the same.

While I feel there is much more than one thing working for GoPro, the results they get from these small compact cameras is phenomenal. Not only are they leaders of the industry, setting the standard for others to copy, they also are stewards to the industry releasing codecs and software that benefit users, developers, and even the competition.

It's funny. Some people say fish eye when referring to GoPro cameras, like it's a bad thing. The wide angle lens that GoPro uses allows for a more emersive POV that captures more of the scenery. With linear view and correction in editing, you don't see so much of the "fish-eye" on people's videos. It's great having the wide angle lens, and sometimes I like to keep the full frame, but mostly I use linear or optics compensation. The wide angle isn't unique to GoPro but they certainly popularized the look.
Adventurer
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Re: This thing sucks

People come and people go only the selct few keep something like these alive. so we can  say wonder what  would have  happened if they stayed around.    Never know.

Hiker
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The company sucks, too. Support advised me to keep my cameras when I contacted them in October about my issues with their garbage software. The software/firmware would be fixed and really great. Promise. Now support says they can't do a refund because I bought it at a retail store. Which makes sense. But they sure could advice me to keep the cameras, which makes no sense to do without asking where I'd bought it, knowing the consequences. So now I'm an involuntary GoPro owner, and I'm putting winter tyres on the mountainbike so I can plague this forum with out-of-focus and jittery videos as I ride through the snow with this abomination they call EIS fully enabled. It wouldn't hurt gopro too much to get some decent software developers on their case instead of consulting the same Indian sweatshop that sit huddled up in an abandoned hangar handling their support and Twitter-likes. Their software is pathetic. 

Adventurer
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Re: This thing sucks

Is that not how the wright Bros started out.     or Apple from a garage..