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Tourist
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Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Never before have I come across a company that makes their customers work so hard to be able just to use their products, Never before have I bought a bit of hardware which is a nightmare just to do the basics, WELCOME the GoPro Fusion.

 

This is my first camera/Gopro and unless this gets sorted it WILL be my last. But wait...I am not someone who has just logged online for the first time? Nor someone who has a very basic understanding of how hardware works? I have 20+ years of online usage and I have been gaming since the 80's but also built many Windows based PCs. So you could say I do have "Some" knowledge of hardwares.

 

These Gopro's are developed I am sure to be difficult to its users, The evidence is on the site, or just google the plethora of people who have had similar issues to me, One of my weaknesses is that I am not very good with cameras, But there is nothing wrong with educating ones self, so I wanted a decent camera for my Youtube Channel and something that everyone "Seemed" to be screaming about...So the Gopro Fusion is what I bought. (Rolls his eyes)

 

Am I on my own when I say these things,

 

1) The app is rubbish and WILL NOT recognise my Fusion and people reported this in 2017 and its STILL happening?? (LRV File list is Empty Error) or when I click on "Browse Camera Media" it scans and then stops after a few seconds and nothing happens? meaning I cant update the camera as well. (Camera has been tried both on or Off)

 

2) The app DOES NOT find any of the footage or files I took today which is on both SD cards (Samsung Extreme 128Gb) and also in two separate folders on my PC (Windows 10). I have tried searching the SD cards and the folders and it just wont find them.

 

I paid good money for this and I so wished I didn’t. The Devs who try to help people on here are using scripts and people are having to go their own ways to solve the problems?

 

This is really not what I expected from this company!

 

My pc spec is ok and I have had no issues what so ever transferring the files from the SD cards to the pc,

i7 8700K (Non OC)

32GB RAM (3200Mhz)

Samsung 970 Pro 1TB C:Drive

RTX 1080OC

 

IT would seem the company (Gopro) has invested ALL its money into making the site look pretty and cutting development of the fusion? Even this site is basic and too orientated around selling us products rather than helping people?

IF anyone can help me with the TWO issues I have above I would be most grateful.

 

Many thanks.

Nomad
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Sorry you're having such a bad experience with your very first GoPro, lets see if we can help you with your issue.

 

 

1) The app is rubbish and WILL NOT recognise my Fusion and people reported this in 2017 and its STILL happening?? (LRV File list is Empty Error) or when I click on "Browse Camera Media" it scans and then stops after a few seconds and nothing happens? meaning I cant update the camera as well. (Camera has been tried both on or Off)

You'll find it's actually quite impossible to update the camera when it's turned off.  I would suggest you register your camera and perform a manual update instead.  You can do so by using the following link: https://gopro.com/en/us/support/product-update/register-camera

This will enable you to perform a manual update of your camera since the mobile app will not perform an update.

You will also need to make sure that the mobile device you're using is actually compatible with your camera.  You can find that list here:

https://gopro.com/help/articles/block/fusion-supported-devices

If you're having an issue with your Windows PC not finding your camera, see below for more details.

 

 

2) The app DOES NOT find any of the footage or files I took today which is on both SD cards (Samsung Extreme 128Gb) and also in two separate folders on my PC (Windows 10). I have tried searching the SD cards and the folders and it just wont find them.

If you are referring to the GoPro Fusion Studio for Windows (app) then you'll find the issue is actually caused by the USB drivers for windows 10.  There is a solution for this already posted here:  https://gopro.com/help/articles/Solutions_Troubleshooting/Camera-is-Not-Recognized-on-GoPro-App-for-...

However since you're obviously well versed in PC hardware, you will also realize that it's better to transfer the files across to the PC using a card reader than try to read them directly off the camera otherwise you'll be halving the speed at which you can work (since two SD cards need to be read at the same time over 1 USB connection).  This is why many tutorials from professional videographers and photographers all recommend working with the files directly off the PC rather than working with them from the camera itself via a USB connection.

 

If you've any other questions or issues, please feel free to reach out and ask, there's always plenty of people around who will happily help you get the most out of your brand new camera.

 

Have fun!

 

GoPro
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Hi @activecres484

 

Sorry for any troubles caused.

Kindly see if the issues mentioned will work when files are manually imported to the app.

Import Media into the GoPro Fusion Studio App

 

Regarding the camera update, please go over the manual update process on https://gopro.com/en/us/update/fusion

There is also a beta version for the camera and the app. Fusion 2.0 Beta Update for your GoPro Fusion

 

Let us know how it goes.

 

 

Thanks!
Ej

Tourist
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Hi guys, Thanks for offering your help! I am sorry for being abrupt on my first post but something needs sorting on this app, I tried what you suggested but I struggled to get the ideas to work? But thanks for the suggestions.


Due to frustration I watched dozens of Videos on Youtube from users and one of them suggested a workaround which I was able to work with and add files, However.

I have another two issues which are new and If you could suggest anything likewise, I would be very grateful,

They are:

1) The app is only picking up the front camera files and the app states Cant render GFO 2*****.JPG.Some files were not imported"?

2) When I render a bit of footage is is anything but 4k which I think (Hopefully) I set it on? the output video footage after render is like 720p and nothing like 4k?

I have both folders (All files) on my desktop (Windows pc) and them all on the two SD cards as well. The app I have setup to read/find the files from the folders on my desktop, Which it is only finding the front ones as I stated.

Many thanks once again.

Explorer
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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1) There could be an issue with one of your cards. Perform a FULL (not Quick) format of the card in your computer followed by a format in the camera. Sometimes you will get the "Not Imported" message with some files if they did not close properly or are too small.
2) When exporting you should be using Cineform '422 High' and 5.2K. Remember, the size (4K for example) is regarding the entire 360 video. What you will be viewing, approx 16:9 cut out of the entire video will represent a much lower resolution. 4K is much closer to 720p viewable while 5.2K will be closer to 1080p viewable.

You should be making a folder (on your desktop is fine) first. Name it whatever you want (mine is named Fusion Import). Inside that folder you should place the Front and Back folders from the SD card.

Your computer seems more than capable (I think you meant to write GTX 1080 not RTX, which is an entirely different architecture). Also, your cards are SanDisk Extreme or are Samsung? If Samsung, they don't make an Extreme model, so you need to specify which one you have. I assume you meant SanDisk.

I'm using SanDisk Extreme v30 64 GB cards in my Fusion. While they work perfectly fine, I personally dislike SanDisk and have a long history of telling people to avoid them. The reason is simple. SanDisk cards are inconsistent in quality. I've had plenty that work fine, but also many that have caused me issues. After years of time on this and other camera forums, I've come to realize that my experience with SanDisk cards is not unique. If you continue having issues, consider changing to another brand like the Samsung Plus, Samsung Pro, or Samsung Pro Plus (all quality cards).
Explorer
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Other things to consider:
What resolution/frame rate are you recording in with Fusion?
Is Protune On?
What is your Max ISO?
How good is the lighting?
Are you using the Beta Update? Fusion & Fusion Studio?
Tourist
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Hi Danielr15.

 

Thanks for the suggestions, Ok

 

The SD cards are brand new and the only files on them are what I took yesterday, the resolution is 4k Or so I thought but after rendering one file of 9 minutes which took an agonising 50 mintues to finish I was shocked that it was in just 720p...So what happened to the 4k?

 

Protune? I dont know about it tbh?

The lighting was fantastic as I was outside and it was sunny.

 

I am using App V1.3 which I belive is Not Alpha but is acting like it.

 

Regards to my PC, I did mean RTX, as thats the latest GDDR6 GPU's, I used to have the old GTX1080 extreme.

Also the CineForm codec was included in the GoPro Studio application I heard? so I would of thought there is no issues there,

The overall process of just wanting to sort a end result out with Gopro is too much and thousands of others have felt the same, As it is now, IF today I cant sort it I am going to ask the retailer for my money back and as I stated above will never buy from this company again as they make their users jump through hoops to do simple things,

 

Thanks once againDanielr15.

Tourist
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Just one other question please Daniel, You stated

 

" I personally dislike SanDisk and have a long history of telling people to avoid them. The reason is simple. SanDisk cards are inconsistent in quality"

 

So why would you still use their products when there is plenty of other companies like Toshiba,PNY,Samsung,Kingston etc, And if your Sandisc cards are not new, then surely that contradicts your point of them not working?

 

Many thanks.

Nomad
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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It's nice that your cards are brand new, but when you put a brand new card into your fusion, did you format the cards in the camera?  Card makers make SD cards that work in multiple devices from tablets, to PC's, Camera's, Phones etc.  All of these devices use their own types of file formats, files block sizes etc.  The card manufacturer has no way of knowing what device the card will be inserted into, so therefore your card will be always need to be formatted in the device it's going to be used in before you use it.  Failing to do so could result in file errors, missing files, etc.

 

You should try using GoPro Fusion Studio 1.4 as it's much more reliable when it comes to importing files (I've found).  Otherwise I found that with GoPro Fusion Studio 1.3, if there's just one file missing or corrupt, it will fail to import all subsequent files.  And it will be more helpful to stop referring to it as an "app" as people may think you're referring to your phone app.  Not your fault, I blame Microsoft marketing soley for that one.  

 

Keep your RTX drivers up to date also, the folks at Nvidia update their drivers once a month and someone may be working on a way to improve detection go GoPro Fusion Studio for use.

 

When you stitch your footage in GoPro Fusion Studio, you've given a couple of options for the Render (Facebook, youtube, 4k or something like that).  However if you click on the file once it's in the render queue (before you start to render) you'll see the exact method of rendering and which codec and resolution you can use.  So from there you can select the CineForm codec if needs be.  I always render at the highest resolution possible and using the CineForm codec.  But be warned, this will take quite some time.

 

If you're still unhappy with your camera, by all means ask for your money back.  Shooting and editing in 360 requires technical knowledge, patience and skill.  It's also time consuming and you need need to be able to dedicate time and resources to get the best results possible. If you're finding it to be more work than fun, then it's probably not for you, and lets face it, creating video and photo's should be fun.

 

I would rethink your vow to never buy from GoPro again though, they make great camera's and thousands of people have had nothing but good experiences with them.  I would suggest that before you purchase another camera though, you do your research, see what's required to get the best out of it, and not only watch some youtube tutorials, but actually understand them too. 

 

I for one am excited to see what their next generation of 360 camera's will bring as shooting in 360 is now my favorite way to film.  The results look amazing, the abilty to reframe a shot in post production gives you so many options with your end footage, it can do the work of a multiple camera set up and for me it's just so much fun to use and play with.

 

Have fun and Good luck!

Explorer
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Cineform 422 is an option for the output file, like h.264.
There is no Nvidia RTX1080. That GPU doesn't exist. There is a RTX2080...

Honestly, I think you need to do a little searching and reading through the GoPro Support articles, as well as reading the camera manual.

Here are a couple you can read through
https://gopro.com/help/articles/how_to/how-to-render-videos-in-fusion-studio

https://gopro.com/help/articles/block/fusion-studio-faq

I have many SD cards of different makes and models. I only use recommended SD cards in my GoPro cameras, which rules out most that you mentioned.

I have SanDisk cards for a couple of reasons. The first being that these were the first cards I started using back in 2010 when the HD HERO came out. Since I own every GoPro Black, Silver, Session, and Fusion and use these cameras often, I have accumulated a lot of SD cards over the years (including also this used for storage, phones, and cameras other than GoPro).

Another reason is so that I can help troubleshoot members issues here. When HERO5 came out there were many people complaining about issues. A common theme was that they were using SanDisk cards. I purchased one and sure enough, I started having similar issues. This experience allowed me to identify issues that were more likely from the card vs those caused by manufacturer defect. When HERO5 came out, SanDisk released the v30 cards and I heard positive experiences, so I tried then out. That year SanDisk released some really good cards and I still use them today. It changed my mind about SanDisk until last year when once again I started hearing more complaints and then experienced it myself.

There is no contradiction in what I wrote.
Explorer
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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@irishmanpdx
I already know I'm getting the GoPro Max. GoPro has yet to let me down for going on 10 years now. I'm hoping the new accessory frame works with HERO6 & 7 so I can get this as well. If I could afford it, is also be planning on getting the HERO8 but honestly, HERO7 Black is still amazing me with it's quality and stabilization. I just don't feel the need to upgrade yet. We'll have to see what features it brings. I've asked GoPro to temporarily lend me cameras just so I can learn them to help out here, but unfortunately this isn't something they're willing to do. In a way it makes sense, I always end up buying them anyway. They are a business and not a charity after all.
Nomad
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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If the Max 360 offers in camera stitching, it's on my wishlist for sure.  I love my Fusions to bits, but anything to speed up the workflow is greatly welcome.   

 

I've been trying to come up with some "60 second tips" for GoPro, it's a new thing I'm trying.  Tech tips for people with short attention spans.....Who knows, maybe with enough viewers in a year or two, I may finally score a pre-release to help people use their camera's.  If you ever do something similar, let me know, I'll happily cross promote, you know you're stuff, you're a good resource and you have the patience of a saint.  Smiley Wink

 

Yup, I saw that image of the GoPro Hero 8 and thought "that's got to be an accessory frame of some sort",  To me, it looks kinda like a concept design than a finished product.  So wondering if that image is actually accurate.  I'm thinking that whole frame idea may be a Vlogger "add on/edition" and not actually come with the camera as standard.

 

I'll be getting the 8, I have a habit of only getting every 2nd model for some reason.  I use the GP6 for flight video's and the stabilization works great considering the amount of vibration they have to put up with.  So need another camera with stabilization for sure.  May as well be the 8!

Explorer
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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@irishmanpdx
I've been thinking if doing something similar with videos to help people better understand using their GoPro cameras and basic trouble shooting. Your participation in this support community has been awesome. It's a great feeling knowing that there is someone willing, and caring enough, to take the time to reach out to help others. It helps that you actually know what you're talking about as well!

I will happily support and promote your efforts. Maybe we could even collaborate on a few videos. Feel free to send me a private message here anytime and we can exchange ideas and contact info.
Nomad
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Sounds awesome man, I'll start thinking of a few idea's and when I have some worthwhile ones (I tend to come up with some crazy stuff on the first time round...) I'll bounce em off you!

 

Good luck!

Tourist
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Daniel and IrishmanPDX

 

Thanks guys! I sorted it with Your help on here,

 

I now have 256 files located and identified by the Fusion, When I bought it from John Lewis (Retailer in UK) I went onto the Gopro site and it was showing the Studio to DL, So I did not think it was the old version because you wouldn't think it was old? And that was the issue for me!

 

Thanks to Irishman making me aware that there is a newer version of the Studio (I had 1.3 and the new one is 1.4) I just installed it (240Meg) and I was shocked at the difference in the older one and this new un...Straight away as soon as I plugged in my Fusion it recognised EVERYTHING!

 

So a MASSIVE thanks to you guys for helping me!! I cant thank you enough for your time, your explanations. I can now start putting the video together for my channel to show the thousands of subs I have on my Channel...If you are ever in Lincolnshire let me know I owe you guys a pint!!

 

Best Wishes.

Nomad
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Re: Problem after problem after problem with the Fusion. NIGHTMARE.

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Glad you got it working, if you have any further issues, post them here and we'll be happy to help you out.

 

Another thing, post some links to the video's you end up creating and show us what you come up with!  Don't forget to also submit your video's to the GoPro awards section, you never know, you just may end up getting some cash by creating awesome video's.

 

Have fun with your camera and get creating!