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Tourist
Posts: 4

Hero 7 Black shaky footage in low light

I have recently purchased the gopro hero 7 black and find the footage in low light totally unusable. The shake that happens to the footage with any slight movement of the camera its so bad that all my footage can not be used.

 

I use the camera mostly for personal use and also attached to the top of my dslr camera to record what Im capturing on my camera.

 

SInce upgrading from the hero 6 to hero 7 black I find that any footage in low light is not worth even shooting as its unusable. 

 

Ive seen threads that say, dont use stabalisation in low light, whats the point in using it at all then??? I would like to see something done with this as its poor to not show anything that could affect the users experiance of this camera.

 

Is there any discussion on a software upgrade that will fix this issue as if not the camera willl be going straight back to the store.

 

Adam.

Adventurer
Posts: 10,675

Re: Hero 7 Black shaky footage in low light

Yes, a firmware update is expected in December. I doubt they will proved a solution for night time stabilization as EIS does not work well in Low Light. On the HERO6, GoPro addressed this by having the camera reduce stabilization in low light and turn off in night time shooting.

I don't understand this question, "dont use stabalisation in low light, whats the point in using it at all then?"

What's the point in using stabilization at all? Well, during the day and in good lighting, the stabilization works very well. It is an action camera. Daylight is the primary time that it is intended to be used.

As far as shooting in low light/night time, there are some things you can try, however this is a camera with a relatively small sensor so it will never be great.

Try any one, or combination, of these settings:
1) 4K (4:3)/24fps - Uses a less aggressive stabilization
2) 60fps with any resolution and with a shutter locked to 1/240 (adjust ISO as needed, set MIN and MAX to same value)
3) Set MIN and MAX ISO to 800
4) Turn Protune and Stabilization off
5) Turn Protune on and use Color Flat, Sharpness Low, and ISO MIN/MAX locked to 400, 800, or 1600
6) Use a Native WB
7) Increase EV to +2
8) Set ISO Min to no lower than 400
9) Selective Light Meter the center of the LCD/video frame
10) Lock the Selective Light Meter to the darkest portion of the LCD/Video frame.
11) Use Linear FOV with a slight zoom
Adventurer
Posts: 8,656

Re: Hero 7 Black shaky footage in low light

If you got the protunes and set up you may be able to minimize your issues.   I agree Low EIS will it get addressed . who knows we're not gopro, we do not work for gopro

 

 @graytree76514  what's the scoupe you allowed to tlk about the DEc firmware  was Low level EIS adddressed Yes or no?

Tourist
Posts: 4

Re: Hero 7 Black shaky footage in low light

All great thank you and most I have tried to use. 

 

But the hero 7 is an action cam, its not meant to be switched on and settings changed for 5 minutes, then start recording. 

 

The stabalisation is a total letdown in anything less than sunlight and something that if there isnt a fix in software soon will force me to return it.

 

Such a shame tbh 

Adventurer
Posts: 10,675

Re: Hero 7 Black shaky footage in low light

@adamjoeroberts

An update is expected for early December, so we'll see what it brings.

 

As you correctly noted, it is an action camera, so you really can't have it both ways.  Either you need a much more expensive camera with a larger sensor and different purpose, or a compact action camera. Considering all of the advantages of the HERO7 Black in most environments, it works well for me.  However, as with any camera, there are limitations.  This is why professional photographers and videographers typically have many different cameras and lenses.  The GoPro HERO7 Black is unique in it's own right, but also does a good job of being a good utility camera that works in most shooting situations.  

 

When it comes to low light filming, it really comes down to familiarity with the camera and settings.  Changing the settings takes me seconds, not minutes, and generally become the settings I'll be using for the remainder of the time since the lighting has changed.  It's very rare that I am moving from brightly lit to low light and then back to brightly lit again.  However, even with this is the case, the easiest way to quickly transition the settings is just turning protune ON and OFF.  ON for low light and OFF when it's bright.

 

Now, it's very difficult to get good night time shooting from a camera with such a small sensor, but low light (not the same as night) is certainly possible.  A little noise/grain is inevitable, but can be cleaned up in an editor if you need to.  My current low light outdoor settings when I want stabilization are"

4K/60fps or 2.7K/60fps

Shutter: 1/240

EV: 0

ISO MIN: 800

ISO MAX: 800

WB: 5000K

Sharpness: Medium

Color: Flat

 

If I don't need stabilization

4K/30fps (or 24fps)

Shutter: Auto

EV: 0

ISO MIN: 400

ISO MAX: 800

WB: 5000K

Sharpness: Medium

Color: Flat

Tourist
Posts: 4

Re: Hero 7 Black shaky footage in low light

I hope the firmware update fixes these issues.

I am a professional photographer, have been for 4+ years and understand sensor sizes etc. I've used Gopro since the hero 4 for my applications. Each one has been great and the fact that when each of the cameras sense lowlight it reduced the IS is perfect.

Simple fix to the 7 if this is the case and stop the horrendous image shake when used in low light and making the footage totally unusable.
Adventurer
Posts: 10,675

Re: Hero 7 Black shaky footage in low light

Actually, it's only the HERO6 that has the sensing of low light and reduction/turning off of EIS. HERO5 only has anti-shake 2 axis stabilization so it's not impacted and all other GoPro cameras (excluding Fusion) do not have stabilization.

I suspect that GoPro will do something similar as they did with the last update to the HERO6 Black. You are correct that reduced EIS is preferable with low light, however, as with the HERO6, this will bring considerable outrage from customers who don't understand that EIS and low light don't mix.

We're only a few weeks from the expected update, so only time will tell. I'm hoping for manual stabilization options rather than having the camera auto sense. Of course, I don't mind jumping into the settings so this solution would work well for me. Ideally, IMO, there will be: 1) Hypersmooth 2) Standard 3) 2-axis anti-shake and 4) Off
Tourist
Posts: 4

Re: Hero 7 Black shaky footage in low light

Im just glad others are aware of the issues and hopefully GoPro can resolve them with the next update.

 

Fingers crossed.

 

Ill be back to the hero 6 till such time.

 

Thanks for all your help. Updates are welcome

 

Adam.