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Hiker
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Hero 10 leak: Even worse low light?

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Good video = less megapixels.  This was proven with Mirrorless cameras.  Why would you stuff MORE in the camera?  Look at the screen grabs below of the Hero 9 in the evening.  A Hero 8 would not have the fuzz/overexposure seen in the screen grabs below.  Maybe the sensor is now a 1 inch sensor to compensate for the higher mp?  That would be the only way.  GoPro is moving to a hand held selfie camera instead of an action camera.

 

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Nomad
Posts: 81

Re: Hero 10 leak: Even worse low light?

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Talking about video/photo quality in low light situations, the most important thing is the pixel size (sensor size). Larger the pixel = more light sensor will get, more light it will get, the better result we will get.

If i'm correct, gopro 9 is using the same size sensor as 8 and 7....So now we have 20mp instead of 12mp in the same small sensor. Which means much smaller pixels, more noise in low light situations. More megapixels is just a marketing trick, it has nothing to do with a  quality. 

 

Adventurer
Posts: 15,173

Re: Hero 10 leak: Even worse low light?

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Software interpolated enhanced:   think its time gopro simply stops naming the next model Hero 0 and simply say they updated the Hero 9,

Hiker
Posts: 142

Re: Hero 10 leak: Even worse low light?

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as a camera my 10 year old canon IXUS which you can buy now for under $20 KILLS the gopro for stills with 8MP and guess what its lighter and smaller overall with a FLASH and a bigger screen!

 

MOST crucial though is its stored every moment 100% of the time - NEVER lost a capture EVER. my 9 was like a roulette wheel - red or black

Backpacker
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Re: Hero 10 leak: Even worse low light?

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Meh.. It's true, that the 9's low light performance did suffer compared to the 8's and this was due to an increase in pixels on the sensor. However realize that it was also related to the capability of the GP1 chip to process such information. When you keep using the same chip for a number of years without improvements and start increasing the amount of pixels, then yes, you're going to have low light issues. The whole thought process of "the more pixels you have on a small chip the worse the low light performance is" isn't quite true. There are lots of other factors to considers. For instance, lots of camera manufacturers use the same sensor in their camera's for quite a number of years, but noise improvements are made simply by better processing of the image data. This is why so many tiny phone sensors get much better image quality than a larger 2/3" HD ENG camera from the past 10 years.  After all, those older camera's had much larger sensors, less pixels, so why are they full of low light noise?  Well it's all about the onboard post processing once you hit that shutter button.  Older camera's simply 
The raw data pulled from any image sensor is a huge mess, but as processing gets faster and better, the image quality improves dramatically even using the same sensor. Just look at Canon camera's as an example, same sensor, more pixels, but huge improvements in low light performance over the years in their 5D models due to how the data is processed.
If GoPro were to increase the sensor size, then you're looking at focus issues with objects being too close to the camera (this is what happens if you use a fixed focus lens). The Inta360 One R has a 1 inch mod for example, it's got great quality for sure, but the focus suffers on close up objects as a result. Not ideal if you're using said camera for handheld vlogging or POV shots.
All in all, the best thing to do? Don't rush to judgement about the camera's low light capabilities. Wait for the reviews, make sure they do a low light review and pay attention to the results. It's obviously not going to beat the pants off your full size DSLR camera, but it could still offer a huge improvement over previous models.

Hiker
Posts: 76

Re: Hero 10 leak: Even worse low light?

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@donsirltu You are absolutly correct.  When they raise the amount of pixels without making the sensor bigger they are reduing the size of each pixel.  This creates problems in low light situations as seen in my screenshots.  Hero 8 has 12 mp and the Hero 9 has 20 mp crammed onto he same size sensor.

Hiker
Posts: 33

Re: Hero 10 leak: Even worse low light?

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It's a common myth that cameras with lower resolution perform better in low light, BUT IT'S NOT TRUE! We explain why, and show real world comparisons to prov...
Hiker
Posts: 76

Re: Hero 10 leak: Even worse low light?

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That's like saying its ok to have your F stop around 20 in low light.  That video is using two high end cameras in a controlled setting as well.  Lets put the Hero 8 vs the Hero 9 in a very uncontrolled night setting using the same light.

 

Hero 9 (garbage, look at the overexposed glow)

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Hero 8 (still garbage with noise, but much sharper with very little overexposure)

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That is the differenece between 12mp and 20mp in low light.  Neither are "professional quality" since the GoPro has always sucked with night time filming but one is worse than the other easily.  I really don't have any more examples because after a couple of videos I returned the Hero 9 due to its image issues.   I can't wait to see how much worse the 10 is with more pixels crammed in it!