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Tourist
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Gopro + You tube quality loss

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Ok we've all had this. Ive watched a ton of you tube videos about it but havent nailed it yet.  You get this beautiful crisp video out of the camera and you fire it on over to you tube and BOOM.  Horrible ...pixelated ....massive loss of quality of this epic footage.  I use handbrake and FCPX.  Has anyone worked out how on earth to keep and maintain that quality on you tube (even for fast motion!) Clearly we know it's possible (because have you seen the promo vidoes!woop!)  ANY help would be appreciated! 


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Sightseer
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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Upload your video to YouTube in 2.7k or 4k resolution.  This will force YouTube to use a higher quality Codec which delivers far better results.  If your GoPro source video is 1080p, upsample the video in Handbrake to 4k, then upload.  

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Sightseer
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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Upload your video to YouTube in 2.7k or 4k resolution.  This will force YouTube to use a higher quality Codec which delivers far better results.  If your GoPro source video is 1080p, upsample the video in Handbrake to 4k, then upload.  

Explorer
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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I use Premiere Pro and a 1080 sequence. I film in 2.7K or 4K. When I export a video for YouTube I choose YouTube 4K and click the maximum depth and render. YouTube allows for a max bit rate of 40 for 4K so it tends to look better (even though the GoPro records HEVC at 78, which is closer to 100+ bit rate in h.264). If you upload as 1080p, the max bit rate on YouTube is something like 8-10.

One other thing I have noticed though, don't render at a higher bit rate than the YouTube max as this forces YouTube to re-render the video to a lower bit rate. Sometimes it turns out ok, but sometimes it really messed up the video.

Lastly, remember to give it some time once uploaded. Initially it will only pay back at 360p. For some reason, even once it is allowing the full resolution, it still seems to take a day for it to play at the best quality (always be sure to select the highest quality playback that your internet will allow to playback smoothly).
Tourist
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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ok ill give that a try...i wish you tube would fix their issues...instead we have to trick it Smiley Very Happy

Tourist
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thanks for this info ! appreciate you both taking the time to answer!

Tourist
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Hey again!!

Quick, so Ive started filming in 2k.  But my file size is obviously very large.  I tried to compress the file in Compressor and immediately lost detail.  Can anyone help with the settings for compressor to keep the quality for you tube?

Explorer
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I'm not really sure I understand why you are compressing your files. If it's for your personal storage, do it after you have uploaded to YouTube.

You can film in any resolution but when you export from your editor you want to use 4K/60fps. By doing this you can maximize the Bitrate used by Youtube for your video. You don't want to compress or reduce the quality of the video in any way prior to uploading, In fact, quite the opposite.

The only "downgrade" you want to do is when you export from your editor, choosing something like a bitrate of 65 seems to work well. For HDR video, YouTube actually allows a bitrate up to 85Mbps for 4K video with a frame rate of 48, 50, or 60fps. If you are using 24, 25, or 30fps, the limits is 45Mbps for 4K standard definition and 56 Mbps for HDR.

Here is a recent video I just did. I filmed in 4K/60fps but then used a 1080p/60fps sequence. I then exported from the editor in 4K/60fps with a bitrate of 65Mps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0LwAfny978

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Tourist
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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ok you have clearly mastered the quality in that video. It's crystal clear.  

 

Just to explain - I am compressing the finished edit.  The edit, when finished could be as big as 6GB.  That would take days to upload to YT.  So I am compressing just after the edit is finished from .mov file to mpeg.

 

Ill add a screen grab below here.  This morning I uploaded a 2k video- no compression to YT but the loss is still huge.  In the screen grab the image on the right is the original 2k crystal clear image and the one on the left what YT did to it. Smiley Mad

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Tourist
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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Just so I can understand this sentence correctly. "Here is a recent video I just did. I filmed in 4K/60fps but then used a 1080p/60fps sequence. I then exported from the editor in 4K/60fps with a bitrate of 65Mps."

The drone shot in 4k. But you then edited in 1080p 60 but then exported from the editor in 4k 60fps?
Nomad
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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Hi

 

First of all you will not win with YT codec. It messing and breaking my video everytime I upload. The good advice is to record in 2,7K/4K and render to 1080. Look at my video here:

 

https://youtu.be/XkKdgcILTNM

 

It some kind of madness. When I watch it at my PC from oryginal file is beauty clean sharp just awseome.......but after upload to YT looks like it looks.....many artefacts..... 

 

BTW: Bitrate is very important - your source video has ~ 45Mbits, YT downsizing it to ~ 12 Mbits.....loosing all important data in the middle of time.....especially will see in fast moves, gradients, trees.....

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Tourist
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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same issue here. Just stunning quality on the main file and even the file FCPX exports but then just crap on YT.

 

I dont understand where to change the bitrate?  Here is my process

 

Files are now recorded in 2k.  Editing done in 2k.  Export a master file in FCPX.  Ive tried vieo codec H264 and Apple Pro res and Apple Pro Res HQ.  Resolution is 4000x3000 (2K)  Open with QT player.  the H264 file was under 1gb.  The Pro res files was 4.6gb!  

 

Uploaded the (excellent quality files) from the PRo res and H264 file to YT but both looks yuck!  I mean not awful but swimming pixels everywhere!

 

 

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Adventurer
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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Qestion:

 

How many minutes-to days are you viewing your quality loss?

Tourist
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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always.

Explorer
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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@fionam048
Correct. Filmed in 4K/60fps. Edited with a 1080p/60 (technically 59.94fps), and then exported as 4K/60fps with 65Mbs single pass (on really important projects where I will distribute the video, not just post on YouTube, then I use 2 pass with target usually 65Mbs and Max 78Mbs).
Explorer
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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One thing to note. Originally I was using 40Mbs, which still works pretty good for YouTube, but after doing some research I found out that you can actually use much higher bit rates for 4K/60fps video. I mention this only because in my first response I recommended 40Mbps and then later recommended 65Mbps. Just wanted to clarify the inconsistency.
Adventurer
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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Akways .  thanks

 

Here is a basic chart that youtube

 

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Just some info 

 

H.264 is the codec used by most of YouTube’s video streams right now, but there are also other codecs in use such as VP8. Some codecs are still in use for compatibility with older cellphones, and newer codecs such as VP9, are used to deliver 4K content

 

 

   hope you find hte answers that are out there

 

Explorer
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@fishycomics

Here is the YouTube chart for HDR

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Hiker
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Re: Gopro + You tube quality loss

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One thing i noticed as the bigger issue. IOS.

 

Most viewers watch from their Iphone/ Ipad/ Android phone. on IOS the max resolution under the youtube app is in most cases for most apple devices 1080p resolution, and it introduces a heck of artifacts etc.

 

I tried multiple apple devices, on WIFI and on LTE and it destroys gopro videos on youtube.

I am currently trying to combat this issue as most users watching videos from their smartphones and not a computer where you can set the resolution to 4K.